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[00:00:00] Introduction and Greetings[00:00:00] Introduction and Greetings
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[00:00:00] Pip: And we are here. Hello. It's that time again. I won't yell. I won't yell, but it's that time again.
[00:00:07] Defining Search Engines[00:00:07] Defining Search Engines
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[00:00:07] Pip: Today we are discussing search engines and we are going beyond. If you're joining us on the replay or live pop in, say hi, and I'm Pip Seymour Digital Media.
[00:00:20] Pip: And this is
[00:00:22] Phelan: Phelan also with Seymour Digital Media.
[00:00:25] Pip: Dark powers combined we're going to take over the world and talk about [00:00:30] search engines. I actually find this topic super fascinating because we just go down a rabbit hole. So I think first we want to define, search engines, right? Yeah. And if you have a website, you want to show up on search engines.
[00:00:46] Pip: So we're going to discuss if we want to show up on all other search engines and is there a different way to do things? And from that, we'll get right into the chat, but Phelan, let us define what [00:01:00] a search engine is.
[00:01:01] Search Engines vs. Browsers[00:01:01] Search Engines vs. Browsers
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[00:01:01] Phelan: Yeah, so it's, a search engine isn't necessarily, like a browser, right? Chrome is going to be different than google.
[00:01:10] Phelan: com, the website that you go to that indexes the website. So they're generally, a search engine is going to have a platform or some sort of indexing and information and then you're requesting like, Hey, how do I plant onions? And so they're going to go and find that information and provide you the best results for that.
[00:01:29] Pip: And they're going to have [00:01:30] algorithms that speak to people searching for things, right? Yeah
[00:01:35] Phelan: Yeah, and they're gonna typically they have some sort of information on you. So there's some sort of login you log into Google or you log into your Amazon account. And so it has some previous knowledge of who you are.
[00:01:47] Phelan: So it can provide you even more detailed information based on that. And so
[00:01:51] Pip: Then you could consider a forum, a search engine.
[00:01:55] Phelan: In some ways, I wouldn't consider it like explicitly compared [00:02:00] to google. com or even like we'll get into later on YouTube or Tik Tok, like those have a search engine functionality built in because they want discoverability across the platform, right?
[00:02:12] Phelan: They want to be able to get you finding people that have that information about you.
[00:02:19] Pip: Okay. Okay.
[00:02:20] Popular Search Engines[00:02:20] Popular Search Engines
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[00:02:20] Pip: And so the main search engines we see are what Bing. So that's the definition. The definition is that it's a tool we use online that we use [00:02:30] for search functionality. So it has to have the search functionality, but it can't be a forum because a forum is a chat back and forth.
[00:02:40] Phelan: Yeah, it forms a little bit different of a, it's like a, the search functionality is just like an add on that you could go find a previous conversation that someone's had versus like I go on Amazon and I type in like miniature helicopter. And then I want to go and get them one of those so it's going to be that's [00:03:00] different because Amazon has a million vendors and you're trying to find out one vendor that has your miniature helicopter.
[00:03:06] Pip: Okay, and so we mostly use Google and we know that Bing has, From Google. And then we also know that there's like DuckDuckGo Baidu, which we don't really see in Yandex. And, they're all slightly different and in different places. Like I, Yandex is really [00:03:30] great. That's the Russian one, right?
[00:03:32] Phelan: Yeah. Yeah. And. Yeah, and then Bing is like always there and it's generally the people that are using it are Enterprise people so that it's really good place to get listed on if you have some sort of like Enterprise service that you're trying to get in front of people That's usually
[00:03:54] Pip: Windows, right?
[00:03:55] Phelan: Yeah, where everyone's stuck in the Microsoft ecosystem, and they're, [00:04:00] for security reasons, not allowed to just have Chrome because at enterprise security levels, you need to have rules in place about what you can and can't use on your work computer.
[00:04:10] Pip: And on a PC, when you buy a PC, isn't it loaded up with?
[00:04:14] Pip: The something
[00:04:16] Phelan: with all being and all the Microsoft information like all their, platform. Yeah. Which I
[00:04:23] Pip: wonder if their biggest search is Google, but I
[00:04:26] Phelan: wouldn't be surprised, honestly, install Google. It's [00:04:30] probably the same for Safari. It's the first thing that gets searched. Oh, I
[00:04:33] Pip: didn't even mention Safari and then there's Safari is a
[00:04:35] Phelan: browser, not a search engine.
[00:04:37] Phelan: Because as soon as you open up Safari Because the browser is just the thing that gets you access to the internet. And then once you're on the internet to go find anything, you generally go to Google to find more.
[00:04:48] Pip: Okay.
[00:04:48] AI and Search Engines[00:04:48] AI and Search Engines
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[00:04:48] Pip: But now people are using ChatGBT and things like that. And you don't consider that a search engine.
[00:04:54] Pip: That's an aggregation of a search engine.
[00:04:58] Phelan: Yeah, and then it's [00:05:00] I, totally get why people would think that is the case. But really what it is, that these are large language models that reduce down to averages that based on the terms that you were using, that these people would see would have this as an answer.
[00:05:20] Phelan: It's a little complicated, but generally, it is going to be something that. They're just different results at the end of the day [00:05:30] because of the nature of what they're trying to accomplish because again like google is going to have Information on you and then provide you search results based on that whereas chat gpt won't always have that they're like a That are trying to find an average of things.
[00:05:46] Phelan: That's what it reduces to. Okay.
[00:05:49] Pip: Did you share the live in the group? Oh, you did. Yes.
[00:05:52] Phelan: Yes, I did. It took me a little bit because Facebook decided to be nice and mean about showing it to me.
[00:05:59] Pip: So if [00:06:00] you are joining us on another channel, just so you know, we are in The Facebook group, Cyberpunk Geeks Marketing Mixer.
[00:06:07] Pip: Yeah, I get the name we have some special news about that, but we'll talk about that later. Okay. Now that I'm not distracted anymore. Cause I was focused on Oh goodness.
[00:06:19] Phelan: Yeah. And or I was just asking about edge and co pilot. So edge is the browser that will host Bing. Bing is the search engine.
[00:06:29] Phelan: And [00:06:30] then co pilot is their AI companion that goes with It, It can do, like search engine generally, it's it's a classic Google, like it's a little search bar and you type in stuff and then it gives you answers back, that's the classic search engine response.
[00:06:45] Pip: Okay. Now, and why aren't we defining chat GPT or PO or perplexity as a search engine when we do get answers?
[00:06:55] Pip: And a lot of people are using those.
[00:06:58] Phelan: Cause they don't give you results per [00:07:00] se. So if I go to Amazon, the biggest difference I would say between an AI response and what a search engine gives me. So if I go into Google and I type in, how do I plant onions? It's going to take me to show me a set of blogs.
[00:07:14] Phelan: Now, it's not going to tell me a definitive answer. It's actually going to give me a multiplicity of answers. And I can go and check and see which ones I actually like of those answers. Whereas the AI kind of takes all those, squishes them down, and then finds an average between them. [00:07:30] And so that's why it's a little it's a subtle difference, but it's how people like, it doesn't cite anything.
[00:07:35] Phelan: Perplexia, I think it's better as citations.
[00:07:38] Pip: It yeah, you have to dig into the citations and make sure they're right. Cause sometimes it's mixed, or from my experience anyway. Yeah, Okay. So, search engines, it's a place, it's not a browser. It's the place we go after we're on the browser.
[00:07:56] Phelan: Yeah. We open up the browser and we're going to start using the internet.[00:08:00]
[00:08:01] Phelan: And or saying co pilot gives options and links and resources as well. Okay. That's good to know.
[00:08:07] Pip: I don't have the chat up. Look at to me. Hold on. I will try to bring the question up. There we go. Ah, look at that beautiful face there. Ah, okay. And what is the one Chris is using that he really likes?
[00:08:23] Phelan: That again was a browser called Arc that came out two years ago, it looks like when I was researching, it's a Chromium one, which [00:08:30] is like Edge, Firefox, and Chrome are all built on the same engine called Chromium.
[00:08:36] Pip: Okay.
[00:08:37] Phelan: And so they all, and so anyone can just grab the Chromium base and build your own.
[00:08:43] Phelan: So you have Brave, you have Opera, like there's
[00:08:46] Pip: Where are they pulling in the stuff? Cause Google ranks it, and then shares it. So are these search engines doing the same thing?
[00:08:54] Phelan: They're browsers. They're not the search engines.
[00:08:56] Pip: Yes. Okay. And so every browser, does it come equipped with a search [00:09:00] engine?
[00:09:01] Phelan: Jen? And that's the big Google lawsuit was that Google was because they were paying Mozilla, so they, by default, Firefox would have Google as their default search engine. Thereby crowding out like DuckDuckGo being on Mozilla, or any of those other ones that could potentially compete against Google was because they were strong arming these other people, these other competitors, to having it by default.
[00:09:27] Phelan: Apple was the same. The default [00:09:30] browse default search engine on Apple was Google. And so they and so it was seen as to be a competitive advantage for them to be on, the number two, number three browser and the number four browser, which is Safari.
[00:09:50] Pip: Interesting. And so we, Mozilla is paid for by Google, let's say, or donates Google donates a lot of money to Mozilla.
[00:09:57] Pip: So cross those two out. Yeah. Basically the [00:10:00] same. Bing stole from Google. So are they not the same? Are they different now? Because they've integrated the AI right into their system. I'm not sure if Google's really done that.
[00:10:12] Phelan: Bing, the good part about Bing is that they worked with Yandex to do that index now.
[00:10:17] Phelan: So that was a powerful tool that they built in to help you get indexed right away into their algorithm. So you write a new blog post, you can say index now and they can scan it and tell you what they think about it which [00:10:30] is a pretty cool tool. I really wish that Google would integrate that. I also know that Wix has that directly integrated into their backend index now functionality.
[00:10:41] Pip: Oh, okay. You can go and submit to Google via Google search console, right? And your site map.
[00:10:49] Phelan: They, yeah, but it takes a couple of business days. Like they're talking about it's an API that does like index now, like it does what says on the tin.
[00:10:57] Pip: And so why are we're talking about, I'm like why [00:11:00] are we, talking about going beyond search engines and, knowing this stuff?
[00:11:04] Pip: Is it important to know this stuff or do we just do what we're doing on Google? And then don't worry about the other search engines. Like, why do we go beyond?
[00:11:15] Phelan: So there's a couple of ways to look at this. There's certainly, so we have a couple of clients that Bing turned out to be really big for them and that optimizing.
[00:11:29] Phelan: Getting them on [00:11:30] big webmasters, making sure there's no issues according to the Bing algorithm actually turned out to be very useful for them because they didn't need a lot of clients, but they were as a ratio, they were getting, they only got like 13 visitors, but three of them converted. So it had an insanely high conversion rate for low amount of traffic.
[00:11:50] Phelan: If you're optimizing for these other channels and that raises it by a couple of extra conversions and they were, I think they're a renovation company. So big ticket [00:12:00] item. And if they're getting three or four new people on their, in their system, and they're getting those clients to go through and actually be a lead, like that's there was like five figures that they just made off of optimizing for Bing.
[00:12:15] Phelan: So
[00:12:15] Pip: that's pretty good. And so, it is good. And you're going to find that information in Google analytics, but yeah,
[00:12:22] Phelan: exactly. Yeah.
[00:12:23] Social Media as Search Engines[00:12:23] Social Media as Search Engines
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[00:12:23] Pip: If we go back to the search engines and, talk about going beyond them some people [00:12:30] do search on other engines, right? Look at Chris, look at people who use DuckDuckGo, who don't want ads, who, more and more people are using chat and GPT and these AI tools, which are scraping.
[00:12:45] Pip: And so I think there was, is it Elon Musk who's getting sued now? Cause of the, some scraping, Oh yeah
[00:12:54] Phelan: He took off the the stoppage for copywritten material. So if you wanted to say I want [00:13:00] Sonic the Hedgehog to be fighting Mickey Mouse, you can get a a picture of that. Yeah, which is, very dubious of to get around generally Yeah, generally chat GPT and AI systems are trying to get around attribution to say, this isn't Mickey, this is just a mouse that happens to have red pants.
[00:13:23] Phelan: Mickey
[00:13:23] Pip: features.
[00:13:25] Phelan: Yeah, So
[00:13:27] Pip: it's interesting. And the reason we talk about search engines is because [00:13:30] it's very interesting topic, for the user because I for example, so let's, put in, let's put in, TikTok and YouTube now. So are the search engines. And if we put in TikTok and YouTube, do we put in Facebook?
[00:13:53] Phelan: Yes. And then we say that Facebook has a terrible search engine, which is entertaining because they, [00:14:00] cause the same search engine would definitionally be the one that they're using for the ads because they have to have some sort of algorithm that says that these sets of words would be really good in front of this person.
[00:14:13] Phelan: So why wouldn't their searches be able to help you find that person as well?
[00:14:18] Pip: Okay. Okay. So we are grouping, but we're not including forums. So in this, the one that's really interesting, I find the one that's the most interesting for me personally right now is the TikTok. [00:14:30] TikTok search engine, there are a group of people who do not search on Google anymore.
[00:14:36] Pip: They search TikTok. And when we were looking up something yesterday, I And you couldn't find anything on Google. I went and searched on TikTok and TikTok is really good because it's short videos, right away what you're getting and the search engine is, it's beautiful.
[00:14:54] Phelan: Yeah. And it's also, it's interest based.
[00:14:56] Phelan: So that's one thing to bear in mind is that when they pieced [00:15:00] it together, they didn't do it by. Facebook is, oh, this person knows this person because of the, these connection points, and they make a social graph. That was their big innovation. And Google does it through interest graphs. So you searched for this, and then you searched for this, and they piece you together that way as a knowledge graph.
[00:15:19] Pip: And TikTok's doing a similar thing. YouTube's doing a similar thing.
[00:15:23] Phelan: TikTok does it through an interest graph. So people that were interested in this topic were also interested in this topic. [00:15:30] And then they do you as a relation of on average, when people were interested in this, they also were interested in this.
[00:15:37] Pip: And this is why when you go and you do these searches, you can go down this crazy rabbit hole and get to some crazy end, right? Dependent because the way the system works is it just gives you more of what you want. And that's, That is the democratization of information, is it not?
[00:15:57] Phelan: Yeah, it gets it in front of more people.[00:16:00]
[00:16:00] Phelan: And so I would say that, yeah, it's definitely one of the more powerful tools that TikTok has, is that it does like a good job with their interest graph, and so you can find things that you're looking for pretty quickly. And Oh, thanks. I took that away. she couldn't have that. But yeah, TikTok is like a just another kind of search engine for finding it because it's, again, it's about discoverability, right?
[00:16:29] Phelan: Like I [00:16:30] need to be able to get in front of people with my message. And so tic TikTok is trying to do that through when you're searching, like, how do I make a French onion soup it'd be the same concept for TikTok as it would for YouTube, where they're trying to find you the video that it does that explanation.
[00:16:48] Phelan: And so the other thing of why I, what I count them as. Being different is that how would I explain this? So like another one is Amazon. [00:17:00] And the reason why I would say Amazon, TOK are like, have a search engines is because they have people that do SEO for those platforms. So you can't hire someone who knows how to get you found on all three of those platforms that obviously doing different things for each one, but that shows you that there's some sort of like magic to get in front of people because there's so many people clamoring to be found on these platforms.
[00:17:24] Pip: And not just with ads. TikTok is still the place where people go [00:17:30] viral. I don't really and then the sub platforms for people would be like Instagram, YouTube, right?
[00:17:38] Phelan: Yeah. Yeah. And I know that Instagram is very interest based and they, especially with the reels or the short video content that they Do the, something similar to TikTok was my understanding when I heard about it is that there's a lot of discoverability, right?
[00:17:54] Phelan: The hashtags and stuff like that, that people put in to make it easier for you to get found and then [00:18:00] caught up on those. But yeah, TikTok definitely is for virality is right now with the, one of the hot ones, yeah.
[00:18:09] Pip: Nothing, has come like comparatively, I think they are a great search engine. They are my second go to after, after Google for sure.
[00:18:18] Pip: But that's just me. What about you? What, where do you go? Where are your first two to three places? I'd love to know.
[00:18:27] SEO Strategies for Different Platforms[00:18:27] SEO Strategies for Different Platforms
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[00:18:27] Pip: And We're [00:18:30] talking about this because I think, do we want to try to show up on these other search engines? It looks like we do with Bing, but are we going to care what we do on other are we going to care about the ranking?
[00:18:45] Pip: Because where do we even find results for those rankings in Google Analytics?
[00:18:51] Phelan: I would say if you're an e commerce business, getting found on YouTube, Amazon, and Tik TOK are probably going to do a lot to [00:19:00] help your business, right? So that's why the SEO would matter. Getting your products like connected.
[00:19:05] Phelan: I know for YouTube now connects with merchant center. So you can have a, YouTube short and then it'll have a little like by my product in the top right hand corner. So yeah.
[00:19:19] Pip: And Merchant Center, YouTube and Merchant Center, ah, because I don't work in Merchant Center very often.
[00:19:23] Phelan: Yeah, and so it's definitely those ones would be ones I would definitely push for with the, for [00:19:30] SEO.
[00:19:31] Pip: Good news for you, I will tell you, Ora, is that if you're relevant on Google, you're probably doing all the right things for all the other search engines. Maybe not for, video search engine. But, the things you do there are the SRT script and things like that, and I think those just naturally have to help to let the robots know what your stuff is about.
[00:19:59] Phelan: And [00:20:00] YouTube's gonna be a little bit different because you don't necessarily need to be found in a search because you have the suggested on the right hand side, so if you're similar enough to a video that you want to be like, but you have a different point that you make, that's how, The guy at Bakalinko got his start was that he copied him
[00:20:19] Pip: anymore.
[00:20:20] Pip: Do we know? Cause he's
[00:20:22] Phelan: under, contract.
[00:20:23] Pip: Oh, is he still?
[00:20:24] Phelan: Yeah. He's got two more years. He's
[00:20:26] Pip: got bought by SEM Rush. Mind you, I am liking SEM Rush [00:20:30] more and more
[00:20:31] Phelan: Yeah. SEM Rush has actually made some pretty good improvements. And so I would say that, yeah, that's how Brian at Backlinko got found is that he did YouTube SEO by basically doing something similar to every other person doing SEO videos on YouTube and then having his own little spin so that he would be found in the suggested, right?
[00:20:53] Phelan: And so there's like little tricks like that, that are, it's specific to the platform and getting found.
[00:20:59] Pip: To [00:21:00] pay attention to. So you always want to go into the data of the platform, right? And look around in there and see. See, because different things matter to those different platforms, like length of watch time, things like that.
[00:21:12] Phelan: Yeah. And how the discoverability works, like how a person that doesn't know who you are, wouldn't even know to search you. How did they find you? That's, The hardest thing about
[00:21:22] Pip: having a business is getting found, right? Getting found by the right people at the right time, in the right place.
[00:21:27] Pip: Google calls, those. Moments, [00:21:30] the moments that matter.
[00:21:33] Phelan: And Aura saying, wait, what I can purposely make content similar to my competition on YouTube to get more reach. Yeah, you'll have to experiment with this, but basically you want to find, basically your idea is that you make content that's similar, but maybe there's like a point or two that you make that's, Different than what they explained because it's your own viewpoint.
[00:21:51] Phelan: You're like, oh, when you're doing this, you should do watch, out for this, like a tip like that. That's how Brian got started. I [00:22:00] don't have any reason to suggest why it's not worth something to experiment with, and to see if it does get you more reach. Because again, what you're trying to do is show up in the suggested column next to them, or the Hey, next video if they if the, Video maker hasn't, or the YouTuber hasn't actually made a suggestion so you could show up in that, like the, coming up next section.
[00:22:22] Phelan: And so that's one way to hack your way in there is just finding, just extending it because Google obviously wants [00:22:30] people to stay on YouTube as long as possible. Another reason,
[00:22:33] Pip: yeah, it's a whole game, right? Stay, on. That's what they want. They want the people to stay on as long as possible because then their advertisers will show up.
[00:22:43] Phelan: Yeah, and also if you make like an evergreen piece of content for YouTube the good part about YouTube is that it, does, it will also naturally extend out, so it's not like Facebook TikTok where you're having to constantly post new [00:23:00] videos and constantly show up. You can't have a video that's old that just is evergreen and so people watch it and like they keep coming back to it.
[00:23:06] Phelan: And so That's a way that you, that the discoverability of the platform enables you to have something to live for a really long time. And you don't have to keep cranking out new content. Not to say you shouldn't have new content, but that's just to help. Content's
[00:23:21] Pip: changing too, right? I mean there's yeah.
[00:23:23] Pip: All the AI stuff, people are more able to write things, but they have to, like Google's algorithm update will probably [00:23:30] show if you've been writing new content or not. If it's relevant or not.
[00:23:35] Phelan: Yeah.
[00:23:35] Pip: But wait. Wait another week to see where you land. Don't make any changes and just do what you're doing now and then assess in about a week for Google anyway, and then make some changes and you'll show up on the other search engines in the end, right?
[00:23:54] Pip: All oh, yeah, that's a good question. I'm sure they are.
[00:23:59] Phelan: No, [00:24:00] legally, I have to say that they have not done that.
[00:24:03] Pip: If you go to pro perplexity. It pulls in if you ask a question it pulls in the data sources that you can check out, and so it does pull in But
[00:24:16] Phelan: according to the, yeah, according to the CEO of of OpenAI, who does ChatGPT, they have not scraped YouTube.
[00:24:27] Phelan: Yeah, so that's their official stance is that [00:24:30] they have not done it. Are the results very similar to as if they had scraped it? Yes, they are. It's just coincidental that's the case. But we have to say legally they have not done that.
[00:24:40] Pip: Don't you just want to break into song about legally distinct the lollipop gang?
[00:24:47] Pip: Okay. So basically. What I'm getting from our whole talk here is that, if I work on one search engine, Then I should show up on the other ones. Yes. [00:25:00] There are other ones to look at and I'll find my results of the search engines where I'm showing up in Google analytics.
[00:25:10] Phelan: Yeah. Or who comes to your site from one of those channels?
[00:25:13] Phelan: Yes.
[00:25:13] Pip: Okay. And that's pretty interesting. And if I wanted, I could set up, you said, Bing places and Bing webmaster tools. That sounds just like good. And it does have some interesting information, doesn't it?
[00:25:29] Phelan: [00:25:30] Yeah, it's they have actually put it in some effort into building up Bing webmasters into being.
[00:25:37] Phelan: I found it to be actually pretty good. Like it does like a site audit for you and tells you that there's broken links, like a screaming frog type of thing. So there was there was some stuff in there that I thought was pretty good for, a competitor to Search Console.
[00:25:54] Pip: I'm seeing a hummingbird in our, oh my gosh, it's so pretty anyway.
[00:25:59] Pip: Okay.
[00:25:59] Upcoming Events and Courses[00:25:59] Upcoming Events and Courses
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[00:25:59] Pip: [00:26:00] We are running out of time and we have some news for you all. So before you go, we'll talk about next week. Next week we are talking about, something amazing. I think it is Greg and I, and about websites.
[00:26:15] Phelan: I think Greg and Rena.
[00:26:17] Pip: Oh, I was all excited. Damn.
[00:26:20] Phelan: I think you and Greg are next the week after.
[00:26:22] Pip: Oh, and they're, what are they talking about?
[00:26:25] Phelan: I was trying to, [00:26:30] yeah.
[00:26:32] Pip: I know I get all excited and then I update and I'm like, oh, there he is. They're talking about something amazing. It looks like they are talking about Oh, it is me and Greg, ha we're talking about WordPress roadmaps. So if you want to know the history of WordPress, where they're going and what they're doing, that's what we're going to be talking about next.
[00:26:51] Pip: And the other exciting news is we have a free SEO course that we moved to Kajabi and it is pretty much ready to [00:27:00] go. And so I'm going to ask a couple of friends to look at it. And then it's going to be free. Free for people. And we also are launching our Google ads course. So if you are interested in learning how to do Google ads for yourself as a business, like if you're looking to learn how to take care of your own Google ads yourself, we do have a five week course that we're going to be doing live training, and we will tell you more about that next week, but I am told [00:27:30] that I should promote it every week from now on.
[00:27:32] Pip: Ooh. There's some other, we have been in chats with the other two admin and I think we're maybe considering doing some rebranding stuff. So that should be really exciting, but that's as we grow and develop our ideas grow and develop. So we were thinking it's time for a little change.
[00:27:55] Pip: Anyway, [00:28:00]
[00:28:00] Phelan: No, that was the big one. I think the just what's coming down the pipe for us teaching because I know you and I wanted to get back into that part. And also, yeah, the rebrand, I think it's
[00:28:15] Pip: Sorry, that was my exciting news. The drug world just came a little late. It's really funny. Part of me failing.
[00:28:23] Pip: What were you saying? I
[00:28:25] Phelan: was saying, yeah we're, excited for the rebrand and then the course and [00:28:30]
[00:28:30] Pip: The course, So September is around the corner. If you want to talk about anything or do anything or if you are on this live and You want to jump into the Facebook group right now.
[00:28:44] Pip: It's Cyberpunk Geeks Marketing Mixer. And in there we support each other in our endeavors. And I think there's a post today about, or it was on Monday about your goals or what you're missing out on. So go jump in, say something in there. We'd love to see it. [00:29:00] And we have one minute. We're so good.
[00:29:03] Conclusion and Final Thoughts[00:29:03] Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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[00:29:03] Pip: This was such a good chat. I think it's a good one. Here, go have lunch. Yeah. Let's go have lunch.
[00:29:10] Phelan: Yeah, pretty much.
[00:29:11] Pip: All right. Happy end of summer to you. Do all the things you love doing in the summer today. Okay. All right. Or says it's awesome. The course.
